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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 28, 2008 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Cover Band (dead related)

During all the excitement earlier this week regarding Dead cover bands a point was brought up that the Dead itself were a cover band as they did covers at a 2:1 ratio compared to original songs. Thus making fun of Dead cover bands is a bit hypocritical. I have been thinking about statement a bit and have decided that while the dead did "cover" a lot of songs they were not really a cover band. I know, shocking revelation, but hear me out. The Grateful Dead did not simply play songs that were written and played by others, they acquired them and made them their own. They interpreted them in a way that the conductor of an orchestra does to assure that the musical piece is special even if it were centuries old. If not then why even have a conductor? The Grateful Dead were the orchestra and conductor all wrapped up into one.

To me a band like the Maykers is simply playing songs that the Grateful Dead played, in the same style as the Grateful Dead. No interpretation, more of a tribute to the band. This is not a bad thing, in fact bands like this can be fun to see in person as it is a way for both musicians and fans to pay tribute to the band that is being "covered." Most of the attendees know all the songs and are there because they loved the music. I personally don't go to such shows but thats a matter of choice and I don't question anyone for doing so.

My point? There is a huge difference between playing someone else's song and covering a band. When you cover a band, the song almost never is better than the original however when you interpret the song and make it your own, as the Grateful Dead did, it can be magical. Don't believe me? Try to think of cases where a band covered another band's song and it really was better. A few rules. Don't compare a live song to a studio cut. Apples and oranges. Don't use reggae covers as any song can be made a reggae song and if you love reggae you will like that version better. Finally try to avoid covers that appeared on tribute albums. That is kind of artificial and I suspect you won't find much there anyways.

Let me start you off with an obvious one:

All Along the Watchtower. I think even Dylan admits that the Hendrix version stands alone.

Screwed that last part up. you get the picture


This post was modified by elbow1126 on 2008-08-28 18:38:10

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

This is not a strict cover - but I am partial to it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCVoqpKqfl4

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Almost forgot, Aerosmith's Train Kept A Rollin' decimates the Yardbirds.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Isn't that a live version? If so, then I'm sorry you are disqualified.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

studio version on "Get Your Wings" ...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Is that the one they play on the radio? I think I have only heard a live version.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Also from Wikipedia:

[edit] Train Kept A-Rollin'
Tiny Bradshaw's 1951 R&B classic, already turned into a rock song by The Rock and Roll Trio (Johnny and Dorsey Burnette and Paul Burlison) (1956) and updated by the The Yardbirds in a 1965 raw British blues version, after whom Aerosmith modeled their version. In the band's early days, it was their signature, show-stopping song, and is still used to end their concerts today. Despite the band's opposition, Douglas put in echo and recorded crowd noises (from the Concert for Bangla Desh) around halfway through to give it a live feel, fading into the next song's synthesized blowing wind/acoustic guitar entrance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Your_Wings

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Uh-oh, SDH! If they indeed "modeled" it after them, it's a COVER with cap C...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

No one is going to mention Richard Thompson's cover of Britney's "Oops! I did it again."? Oh well, guess I'll go listen to an old version of Matty Groves....

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

i knew it sounded live!! Thanks for the info. Not sure I like a fake live song but I don't think I can DQ SDH for that. Bummer.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Better luck next time.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: Aug 28, 2008 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

motorhead version on the 1st album (77) is absolutely the strongest and the hardest rendition of the song in existence. absolutely the best (ultimate) version of train kept a-rollin

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 28, 2008 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

"I personally don't go to such shows but thats a matter of choice and I don't question anyone for doing so."

Neither do I. Just like I don't judge the folks dressing up for the local Star Trek convention. If if makes you happy and doesn't hurt anyone, who gives a rat's ass?

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Poster: The kindest Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:13pm
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you sure you dont ?? I thought i saw you dressed up as SPOCK being interveiwed on TV NO?
LOL only ribbin

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Yep, Elb--I'd say you covered it (har, har).

Seriously. Agreed.

And, I was preparing my response as I read your post, in which I would use Watchtower by Jimi as a great example supporting how you had gotten it right and this example would prove to the Forumites that I, the Prime Minister, knew you had gotten right by providing this ONE perfect example, but then I read the rest of your post.

Nevermind.

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Poster: ststephen7 Date: Aug 28, 2008 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

i've always apprecited the song "wooden ships" the way jefferson airplane did it. compared to the crosby stills and nash version. but i dont no if that counts

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

I'm not sure I'd call it better, but the Jane's Addiction cover of "Ripple" - "The Other Ripple," as I like to call it - is a stunning piece of music.
Sonic Youth's cover of the Carpenter's "Superstar" is hugely superior, emphasizing the creeepy stalker overtones of the original.

CSNY's cover of Woodstock? Maybe if you're not a big Joni Mitchell fan.

There must be lots more - I'm a big fan of covers but I'm also stuck at work and can't think about this anymore ...

As for Hendrix's cover of All Along The Watchtower, I pulled this stuff of wikipedia, where it is all properly footnoted:

Dylan has described his reaction to hearing Hendrix's version: "It overwhelmed me, really. He had such talent, he could find things inside a song and vigorously develop them. He found things that other people wouldn't think of finding in there. He probably improved upon it by the spaces he was using. I took license with the song from his version, actually, and continue to do it to this day."[13]

In the booklet accompanying his Biograph album, Dylan said: "I liked Jimi Hendrix's record of this and ever since he died I've been doing it that way... Strange how when I sing it, I always feel it's a tribute to him in some kind of way."




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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

While Morning dew is a cover I think of it as a GD song. I heard the original once and never heard other bands covers (there are many) it's just a perfect fit for this band. I think Hey pocky way was an awesome cover but can't go as far as saying it was better than the original though.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

The Jeff Beck version is pretty good.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

aint it the truth!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:38pm
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been a while...nice!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se8OmYL5br0

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Thanks for this. Never heard it

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Poster: Edsel Date: Aug 28, 2008 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

I've always liked the Friend Of The Devil that Lyle Lovett did on Dedicated.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 28, 2008 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

me too, but better than the one on American Beauty?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 28, 2008 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5756386000575173290&;

If you're interested in hearing Lyle's version (plus a nice view of Red Rocks)

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Poster: ROMICS Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Some blues guy (j.lang?) covers Gabriel's "in your eyes" magnificently. I always loved Richie Havens' "just like a woman"

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Aug 28, 2008 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Cover Band (dead related)

Hendrix's All Along The Watchtower was certainly ground-breaking; the version against which all others have subsequently been judged. Now I know that we have a tendency to over-venerate Garcia, but his versions were also ground-breaking, and I'd really like to hear anything to compare with his 1989/1990 interpretations. (Any suggestions?) I'm not that well up on heavy metal, but the speed of his playing is awesome.
I've listened to some great local musicians play AATW, but they all copy Hendrix. Nowt wrong with that - they set the place alight, but I've never heard any of them copy Garcia. Maybe it's because British guitarists haven't listened to the Dead, or maybe they're frightened to "challenge" the Hendrix orthodoxy? Yes, he was brilliant, but that was then... (Listen to Vernon Reid for example).

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 28, 2008 3:10pm
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Well for this argument we were not comparing live music to studio releases. Regardless I think that is in part the answer to your question. How many people are really familiar with Jerry's versions beyond the relatively small group of Dead/JGB fans?

As for other live versions, one of the only PAF shows I have listened to has a pretty cool one, but it is clearly modeled after Hendrix. 2-12-06.

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Aug 28, 2008 3:29pm
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Good point. It's hard to think of the Dead as anything other than a live band, though, so I suppose I'll always use their best performances as the standard to judge others by.
(Yes, if my kilted friend is reading, I know it should be "the standard by which others should be judged"...)

BTW, how about Vernon Reid with PAF?!?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:03pm
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Don't think I'd say this cover was "better", but it is definitely a great example of an artist taking a "classic" and putting his own twist on it. Van Morrison's version of Comfortably Numb gave me shivers when I first heard it. This video is ok, but the studio version from The Departed soundtrack is incredible.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6297195320863491106&;vt=lf&hl=en

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 28, 2008 11:56am
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Dylan's "Senor" is done better by JGB than Dylan.

Of course, until I hear Glenn Campbell's upcoming release on which he covers the Velvet Underground's "Jesus", any such list is premature. (Johny Cash doing NIN's "Hurt" is a great example of a cover completely reinterpreting and owning the song. Couldn't the same be said for Aretha "stealing" RESPECT from Otis Redding?).

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:01pm
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Great call on the NIN Cash interpretation. That one was freakin amazing.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 28, 2008 12:07pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go

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Poster: nagdot Date: Aug 28, 2008 3:09pm
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i understand wat you say. but as a cover band wouldnt it be their interpretation. its not like you can recreate note for note a song say the caliber of eyes or st stephen. i have no issues with cover bands. the issue i have is paying 40 to 60 bux to hear covers. i would pay a cover but never 60 bux to see phil. or 40 bux to see bobby and so on. and i wouldnt let you miracle me to dso.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Aug 28, 2008 3:17pm
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I think many tribute bands try to emulate the band they are covering as best they can. I don't think the Grateful Dead that. They played things their way. Sometimes it worked beautifully, others not so much. As an example of the latter, I don't they every really did a great job on a Beatles song. Maybe Day Tripper but the one i can think off the top of my head, 3-31-85 is special in part because of the crowd reaction. Check out the aud.

As for paying to see these bands, again I choose not to but I do understand why others go and have a good time.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 28, 2008 3:24pm
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http://www.archive.org/details/gd67-04-08.tv.hanno.12623.sbeok.shnf

Track 3, Jerry talks about where they find material and how they felt about playing other's music.

He calls the band "clever theives" and says once they have worked out these tunes "they never sound anythging like the original".

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Poster: The kindest Date: Aug 28, 2008 11:28am
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Bottom line is that us fans that come out(as in here ) want to hear Dead tunes. So thats what we get. If your not in that category then it doesnt apply to you. Us as fans do like originals thrown in , but overall we want to hear Jerry songs to sooth our souls when i go out to gatherings. Thats it in a nut shell.
Since i cant see Jer anymore live, then i want to hear his songs fill the air.. and with excitement and energy to keep it alive
For Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc3RtR-18co or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0oUq1lBk6M&;feature=related

We know there not the Dead cause there was only one of them and will never be matched. MUSIC MUST LIVE ON!
Thats all "-)

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Poster: airgarcia416 Date: Aug 28, 2008 8:39pm
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One of my favorite covers ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK3V5jPFLGs

Norah Jones could scream heinous insensitive racial slurs and make it sound sexy

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Aug 28, 2008 1:57pm
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Let's not forget Smokey Robinson cover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doyqWt9Ed1k